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∂30-JAN-75 1706 1,TW
That's fine. do you want the whole session, or should we both talk?
I'm pretty flexible as to date - tuesday and thursday are best
in general. Also, can you arrange a chinese feast? I suppose
we could have the actual session here in the conference room,
or get a room down on campus.

∂29-JAN-75 1133 1,MG
Subject: Next Meeting of Program Reasoning Group

The next meeting is on mon. feb. 3 at 3:30 p.m. in SRI's I Building
in room s109 (the keidanren).

J Moore will discuss his recent work on the celebrated pure LISP
theorem prover.

J suggests that peoplee unfamiliar with the Boyer/Moore prover might
like to go to Bob Boyer's talk on fri. jan. 31 at 1:30 in SU-AI's
conference room. (This talk is the first of the Waldinger/Green AP.
seminars)

It's been suggested that it might be fun to have a debate in which
people defend views OPPOSITE to what they hold.The topic that's been
suggested is the relative merits of low level languages (such as
INTERLISP) vs. those of high level ones (like QLISP). Does anyone
have any more suggestions or have a particular hate they would like
to defend (not nec. one of those above) ?

Mike.

∂29-JAN-75 1016 network site SRI
Date: 29 JAN 1975 1017-PST
From: WALKER at SRI-AI
Subject: NIE questionnaire
To: jmc at SU-AI

I would appreciate your response to the NIE questionnaire I sent you.
If for some reason you missed the two mailings, let me know immediately
by NET message, and I will forward the form to you.
Thanks, Don [Walker@SRI-AI]
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∂28-JAN-75 1456 100,100 AT TTY121 : SIT BROWSER @ RTGT
AW, C'MON, THIS WAS ONE OF THE NICEST SYSTEMS ON THE NET!!
AT LEAST CAN'T YOU PUT TECH II SO IT CAN BE RUN WITHOUT LOGIN?
IT WAS NICE TO BROWSE ON YOUR SYSTEM ONCE A MONTH OR SO...
THAT'S PARANOIA!!!!!!!
RECONSIDER!! OKAY??

∂28-JAN-75 1403 network site AI
Date: 28 JAN 1975 1702-EST
From: ERIK at MIT-AI
To: jmc at SU-AI

Re: checking source of information
I have at some time heard the following explanation for
Zohar's infamous visa problems: the Russians distinguish
between on one hand international conferences (organized
by an international body), and on the other hand
conferences arranged by Soviet organizations but with
foreign participation. Free access for all nationalities
are only guaranteed for the former type, and the conference
where he had his problems was of the latter type.

I believe furthermore that it was you who told me this,
but I would like to check that in order to re-establish
the credibility of the explanation. Can you confirm the
above?

Erik

∂27-JAN-75 1650 100,100: sgk @ SAIL
Was it you who sent the bug name message at AI about it not knowing JMC?

∂26-JAN-75 1040 1,TAG
ON THE LUCKY DAY WHEN LAST YOU POWERED UP YOUR IMLAC, THREE, NOT ONE,
REGULATOR CHIPS BIT THE DUST. I ONLY BOUGHT TWO FRIDAY, SO COMPLETE REPAIR AND
FINAL CHECKOUT OF THE CARD MUST WAIT UNTIL MONDAY. I AM GOING TO INSTALL SOME
INSURANCE AGAINST A POWER SURGE HAVING THIS DESTRUCTIVE EFFECT AGAIN.

∂26-JAN-75 0346 1,TAG
I DECIDED NOT TO WORK A SEVEN DAY WEEK THIS WEEK. THAT'S WHY.

∂25-JAN-75 1934 1,DEW
Sorry I didn't catch you this week. I can't afford to have someone else do my car
so it took me awhile to teach myself how to rebuild an engine. I now have
transportation again and am anxious to start doing something worthwhile.
I'll try to catch you Wednesday night, leave more speific word if you can.
I'm planning on going to that class from 7-10. Cheers, Dave

∂25-JAN-75 0735 P,JRA
hi:
I left a copy of SUPER LISP in your office. If you'd like to
discuss/scoff/disagree/comment please let me know.
JRA

∂23-JAN-75 1251 network site BBN
Date: 23 JAN 1975 1552-EST
From: FIELDS at BBN-TENEX
Subject: STANFORD PROPOSAL
To: JMC at SU-AI
cc: LICKLIDER

JOHN,
I READ YOUR PROPOSAL. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN
TWO ITEMS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A COPY OF
LOW'S THESIS (AIM 242) BY US MAIL? IT WOULD BE TOO
LONG TO PRINT ON MY TERMINAL. ALSO, ON PAGE 20
YOU INDICATE THAT IN JANUARY, 9175 WINOGRAD SHOULD
HAVE A COPY OF INITIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR A KNOWLEDGE
REPRESENTATION LANGUAGE. COULD I SEE A COPY OF THAT
AS WELL? THANKS FOR BOTHIN ADVANCE.

A WORD OF FRIENDLY ADVICE. ON PAGE 41 YOU
INDICATE THE NEED FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TENEX
TIME AND ARPANET ACCESS. BOTH COST REAL DOLLARS
AND I SUGGEST THAT IN YOUR NEGOCIATIONS WITH
LICK THESE ITEMS ARE NOT OVERLOOKED. THE TENEX
TIME WILL POSE THE GREATEST PROBLEM. ALTHOUGH
NEW TENEXES ARE EXPECTED, THE DEMAND WILL EXCEED
THE SUPPLY, AND LICK WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON
ALLOCATION SO AS NOT TO GIVE AWAY MORE THAN 100%
OF TENEX AVAILABLE. THIS WAS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT
A POTENTIAL PROBLEM TO ASSIST YOU.

BEST
CRAIG

P.S. HOW ARE THINGS IN THE 3850 CLUB?
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∂22-JAN-75 1825 THE,AJT
Just out of curiosity...
is it likely that you would be willing and able to support me
next year if I do not get my thesis finished by September of this year?

Also, when at the end of next week would be a convenient time for you to
have a meeting with Hintikka, Shepard and Clark?
arthur.

∂18-JAN-75 1410 SET,RWW
XSPOOL FOLMAN.XGP[SET,RWW] to get yourself a copy of the FOL manual:
any substantive comments you may have can be incorporated on Monday
before the final version is run off. I will take care of typos and
two or three known PUB bugs, so you can ignore those...
arthur.

∂19-JAN-75 1038 1,BH
Yes, you put a dot after the filename but no extension. However, it
will try to take the next word afte the dot as an extension, so you
must either not put the message on the command line, or else
isolate the filename from it by typing, e.g.,
MAIL (:FILE) TEXT

∂19-JAN-75 0813 E,ALS
The commands <CONTROL>↑ or <META><CONTROL> are not recommanded for backing up by
more thanαa single line or two. In the first place these commands only work when
one is in LINE-EDIT mode and they then close out the line one is in then back up
a line then enter the LINE-EDIT mode again and finally go to the end of this line.
There exists a timing problem in the system which sometimes causes it or E to
lose characters or parts of characters which are typed while the system is either
being entered or is activating E. So what you were doing was asking the system and
E to go through all of this complicated routine repeatedly at a very fast rate and
it simply did not keep up with you. These commands are useful when one is writing
code and realizes that a commend was needed at the end of the previous line or
something like that.
Other commands are much more useful if one wants to back up several lines. I
might recommend one of the following sequences: if one is in the LINE-EDITOR
first type <control><vt>. Thereafter one can type <CONTROL>≤ to back up half a
windowful, <CONTROL>< to back up 4 lines or several of these if desired, and
finally <VT> to back up a single line at a time. These do not leave you at the
end of the line in LINE-EDIT mode so if this is what you want you then type
<CONTROL><TAB>.
Finally, if you do again get into an unresponsive state ther are two reasonably
safe ways to get out. The safest but most complicated is to type ↑C then DDT
to enter RAID, type P; to find out where you were on the pushj stack, type
<TAP> to get the return location, this may be data, if it is back up along the
PDL until you get to a proper return then type .<CONTROL>G to start E up again.
A simplier procedure that works sometimes is simple to type ↑C DDT and then
<CONTROL>G.
In any case typing double bucky period is not at all safe as it casts in concrete
any mistake that you have made. The command <CONTROL>XCANCEL<CR> is very safe if
you are willing to lose the editing that you have done since the last page change
or since the last <CONTROL>. .

∂18-JAN-75 1252 network site AI
Date: 18 JAN 1975 1552-EST
From: PHW at MIT-AI
To: jmc at SU-AI, les at SU-AI

May I have your Computers and Thought lecturer
nominations please.

∂17-JAN-75 2303 THE,AJT
yes, i i cetain to be ready by Monday. Hold
thepresses, rip outthe front pag, &c.!
arthur

∂17-JAN-75 1953 FOL,AJT
the FOL manual is virtually finished. to get a copy see RWW...

∂17-JAN-75 1113 network site RAND
To: Col. Russell

From: Peter Weiner (WEINER @ RAND-RCC)

Subject: ARPANET Plans

Copies: F. Corbato, J. Markowitz, J. McCarthy, M. Pirtle,
T. Stockham, B. Woods; JCR Licklider, C. Fields

-----

As you may know, Lick and Craig have asked me to serve as
chairman of a Working Group whose purpose is to propose
to ARPA/IPTO Policies for Computing Resource Procurement.
(The other members of our group are the researchers listed
above.)

In a recent phone conversation, Lick briefly described
the plans that you are working on to transfer operational
control of the ARPANET to DCA. He suggested that you
would be able to provide us with more detailed information.
In addition to knowing what is likely to happen and when,
it is important for us to know about constraints and limitations
that will affect computing resource procurement options.

Some relavent questions that come to mind are:
1) Who will be sharing use of the net? What kind and
how much traffic is expected? Will the capacity of
the net be expanding? By how much and when?
2) Who will be making decisions regarding the above?
What influence or control will ARPA retain?
3) How will ARPA be charged for use of the net? How
will these costs be reflected back to research
contracts?
4) Will ARPA have to guarantee a specific level of use
of the net? How much and for how long? What
flexibility remains for use of commercial nets?
Can these be connected together?

I understand that the situation is not completely settled.
However, whatever details or estimates you can provide will
be most useful. This information will not be transmitted
to anyone outside our group.

Thanks for your help.
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∂17-JAN-75 1105 network site RAND
To: F. Corbato, J. Markowitz, J. McCarthy, M. Pirtle,
T. Stockham, B. Woods

From: Peter Weiner (WEINER @ RAND-RCC)

Subject: Computing Resource Working Group

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1. All of the above have now accepted the invitation to
join the working group. Thanks for your interest.
I propose that all correspondence be copied to
all members of the group. NET addresses are:

JMC @ SU-AI

PIRTLE @ I4-TENEX

STOCKHAM @ UTAH-10

WOODS @ BBN

WEINER @ RAND-RCC | n.b. RAND does not have an
| MLFL -- use SENDMSG.

2. Rather than schedule a special first meeting for the group
at this time, let's try to conduct some business
over the NET. ARPA has scheduled meetings at the end
of January and beginning of February that will bring
several of us together anyway.

If a special meeting is required, we can hold one
towards the end of February. Otherwise, a meeting
of the full group will be scheduled during
the time we are at the PI meeting in San Diego (mid
March).

3. The first thing we must settle on is the list of issues
we wish to examine. I will soon be sending you
an initial list to serve as a point of departure.

Regards,

Peter
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∂17-JAN-75 1106 network site RAND
To: Eugene Stubbs

From: Peter Weiner (WEINER @ RAND-RCC)

Subject: Information regarding computer utilization

Copies: F. Corbato, J. Markowitz, J. McCarthy, M. Pirtle,
T. Stockham, B. Woods; JCR Licklider, C. Fields

-----

Lick has suggested to me that you will be able to provide
information regarding the current computing environment.

In particular the following information is needed:

1) What general purpose machines now exist that serve
the research community? For these machines
Which are purchased, leased, or rented by ARPA?
Which are non-government owned or controlled?
How is time obtained on these machines?
Who controls the allocation of computing power of
the machines to research contractors?
What charging mechanisms exist?
What operating system is being run?

2) For each current research contractor
What computing resource has been provided? (E.g.,
use and control of a specific machine; an
allocation on a machine controlled by someone
else; a budget to be spent on a specific machine,
a budget to be spent as the contractor wishes; etc.)
What special purpose (dedicated) machines are
provided? For what purpose?

I realize that some of the information may not be trivially
available from ARPA/IPTO files. However, whatever you can
pull together will be very helpful.

Please let me know what we can expect and by what date.
Thanks very much for your help.

∂17-JAN-75 0546 network site ISIA
Date: 17 JAN 1975 0546-PST
From: FIELDS at USC-ISI
Subject: AP NEWS AND 3850
To: JMC at SU-AI

JOHN,
THANKS FOR THE SPEEDY REPLY.
I WILL HAVE MCCLELLAN CALL YOU - HE SPOKE WITH LES.
DON'T COUNT ON FTP2 OR HIGHER SPEED LINES, THE FORMER MUCH
MORE LIKELY THAN THE LATTER. I EXPECT THAT YOUR CONSORTIUM WOULD
HAVE TO FEND FOR ITSELF TO SOME EXTENT. BBN HAS RECENTLY
MADE IT POSSIBLE TO SUPPRESS A NUMBER OF IMP FUNCTIONS IN
TRANSMISSION TO SPEED UP THINGS FOR SPEECH EXPERIMENTS. THESE
MIGHT BE USED FOR FTP2 FOR THE 3850.
BEST
CRAIG
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∂16-JAN-75 0822 network site ISIA
Date: 16 JAN 1975 0820-PST
From: FIELDS at USC-ISI
Subject: AP NEWS
To: JMC at SU-AI

AN ARPA/HRRO CONTRACTOR, MCCLELLAN AT USC, HAS
RECENTLY CONTACTED YOU ABOUT ACCESSING THE AP
NEWS FOR HIS CONTRACT WORK OVER THE NET.
HE GOT A NO ANSWER. WHAT IS THE STORY? DO WE PAY
FOR THE AP NEWS FOR YOU?

BEST
CRAIG
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∂16-JAN-75 0815 SAI,BGB
- Mr. Robertson at Termin returned your call and will call back later.

∂16-JAN-75 0650 SAI,BGB
I have put my version of the future home computer in HOTER.BGB[PUB,JMC].

∂13-JAN-75 1357 network site OFF
Date: 13 JAN 1975 1357-PDT
From: LICKLIDER at OFFICE-1
Subject: Formal Submission of Proposal
To: LES at SU-AI
cc: Licklider

By all means plunge on with the formal submission asap, but
be sure to associate costs with individual items. It is
not certain that we shall be able to fund the work at the proposed
level, and it would be convenient if the costs could be grouped
in such a way that we could negotiate them downward without causing
a retyping of the whole proposal.

I am off now for a four-day trip. When I get back, I'll get
together with the PMs concerned, come to a decision about funding
level, and communicate with you right away. If there is anything in the
final version of the proposal (final except for funding level) that is
not in the draft we have, please send it asap to Dave Russell
(Russell at ISI), not to me. (He'll be here~.)

Regards

Lick
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∂13-JAN-75 1301 FOL,AJT
great - i've been giving some thought myself to using yr. notions of patterns
in vision. so peddle away! i also think that i'm making some progress with
geometry, and i'd like to discuss it with you. i shall be here on wednesday...
arthur.

∂10-JAN-75 1323 network site RAND
(The following note from Craig Fields is being sent from
Rand in order to expidite its receipt.)

ARPA IS BEGINNING A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM OF RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT OF COMPUTER SYSTEMS FOR MANAGING VERY LARGE DATA BASES.
WE HOPE THAT A MAJOR PART OF THE PROGRAM WILL BE DEVOTED TO
THE INVENTION OF A/I TECHNIQUES AND TOOLS TO DO JOBS FOR PEOPLE IN
DATA BASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS (DBMS).

THESE TOOLS MIGHT DO JOBS SUCH AS SEARCHING, STORING, DATA
CHECKING, SAMPLING, ALERTING, AND SO ON. THEY WOULD USE EXPLICIT
MODELS OF THE CONTENT AND STRUCTURE OF THE DATA, THE TASK OF THE USER,
THE USER, THE HARDWARE ON WHICH THE DATA WAS STORED AND WOULD
INCORPORATE HEURISTICS ADAPTED FROM CURRENT PRACTICE AND EXTENDED FOR
VERY LARGE DATA BASES.

THIS NOTE IS AN INVITATION TO A MEETING TO DISCUSS
ISSUES IN APPLYING A/I TO VERY LARGE DATA BASE SYSTEMS AND TO
ACQUAINT POTENTIAL CONTRACTORS WITH THE GENERAL GOALS OF THE
PROGRAMS.

A FINAL AGENDA HAS NOT YET BEEN PREPARED, BUT SOME
IMPORTANT ISSUES ARE APPARENT...

WHAT A/I DATA STRUCTURING TECHNIQUES ARE APPLICABLE TO
LARGE AMOUNTS OF DATA (10**12 BITS)?

WHAT A/I TOOLS ARE POSSIBLE WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY
AND WHAT NEW TOOLS AND CAPABILITIES CAN BE PROJECTED?

CAN A/I TOOLS COMMUNICATE WITH EXISTING DBMS TO DO JOBS
FOR USERS, OR ARE ENTIRELY NEW DMBS NEEDED?

WHAT PROTOCOLS CAN BE DEVELOPED SO THAT INDEPENDENTLY
A/I TOOLS CAN COMMUNICATE AND "USE" EACH OTHER?

CAN INDEPENDENTLY PREPARED A/I TOOLS SHARE MODELS IN COMMON
FORMATS?

IN THIS PROGRAM NEED WE STANDARDIZE ON A LANGUAGE, COMPUTER,
AND SO ON? CAN WE USE THE NSW?

THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE SET OF ISSUES AND I WOULD APPRECIATE
SUGGESTIONS FOR NEW TOPICS.

MOST OF THE MEETING WILL BE DISCUSSION OF SPECIFIC ISSUES,
BUT I WOULD WELCOME VOLUNTEER SPEAKERS AND POSITION PAPERS.

THE MEETING WILL BE HELD JANUARY 29 AND JANUARY 30,
BEGINNING 9:00 A.M. AT THE RAND CORPORATION, HOSTED BY PETER
WEINER (WEINER@RAND-RCC). PLEASE REPLY TO ME (FIELDS@ISI)
AND TO HIM REGARDING YOUR PLANS.

I WILL EXPECT MOST OF YOU TO PAY YOUR EXPENSES FROM ARPA
CONTRACTS, BUT SOME TRAVEL ORDERS ARE AVAILABLE. PLEASE REQUEST
TRAVEL ORDERS FROM ME IF YOU NEED THEM.

I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN COME AND I EXPECT THIS TO BE A
STIMULATING MEETING.

VERY TRULY YOURS

CRAIG FIELDS

P.S. A REPORT ENTITLED "VERY LARGE DATA BASES - AN EMERGING
RESEARCH AREA" HAS BEEN PREPARED BY STOCKTON GAINES
OF RAND. IT'S NOT REQUIRED READING FOR THE MEETING,
BUT IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT EITHER WRITE TO STOCK OR
ACCESS THROUGH THE NET WITH THE FOLLOWING SEQUENCE
(REQUIRED BECAUSE RAND DOES NOT HAVE AN MLFL):
TELNET RAND
RAND COMPUTATION CENTER...
USER? N0000
ACCOUNT? 1677
PASSWORD? N00
COMMAND? NET
NAP READY
#FT <YOURSITE #>
MLFL VLDB.REPORT TO <YOURACCOUNT>
BYE
#LOGOUT

∂12-JAN-75 0741 network site ISIA
Date: 12 JAN 1975 0740-PST
From: ISELI at USC-ISI
Subject: NS et al
To: les at SU-AI
cc: help at OFFICE-1

Les:-

Thank you very much for the information, I will call, as
you suggest, probably late next week. I am meeting with
the persons I mentioned, next Thursday and should obtain
information which John McCarthy will probably want.

Again, thanks....

Jean
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∂10-JAN-75 1330 1,PAW
the ai/science luncheon meeting is on monday, 13 Jan at noon at the faculty club..patte

∂10-JAN-75 2307 S,LES
Subject: News Service
Jean,

In reply to you message of 10 Jan.:

NS and INDEX are written in machine language for the Fail
assembler.

We would be willing to let someone use the AP and NYT stuff
for relatively short-term experimentation (say, a couple of
months).

NS and INDEX could certainly be converted to Tenex and we might be
willing to do it, provided there was a little support for some
improvements we would like to add. On the other hand, substantial
additions to Tenex would likely be necessary (just as we had to
modify our timesharing system to run HOT and NS), and these changes
could be done most efficiently by a Tenex systems hacker, which we
don't have. If we were to undertake that part, there would have to
be a substantial educational component.

We have no files describing the newswire interfaces, but there
is a local expert: Jeff Rubin (JBR@SU-AI). Basically, it is
a minor diddle to a standard TTY port. We have little interest
in doing one for a government agency, but might consider it anyway.

If you would like to look into this further, I suggest that you phone
John McCarthy, who will have some questions for you. The number here
is 415-497-4971. John is more likely to be in in the afternoons.

Cheers, Les
CC: iseli%ISIA

∂10-JAN-75 1734 1,MG
Subject: BY and YS are different.

BY and YS seem to denote different members of Scott's model D∞. For as
"undefined" is a fixed point of S it clearly must be the least fixed point
(ie.YS="undefined").But BY(= the composition of S with itself) isn't undefined
as eg.if tt=λx.tt(=the 'atom` true in D∞) then BYtt=Y(Y(tt))=Y(tt)=tt≠"undefined".

If the above argument is bug-free it means that BY can't be proven equal to YS
in the λ¬calculus (since the conversion rules are valid in D∞)

Mike.

∂9-JAN-75 1240 network site SRI
Date: 9 JAN 1975 1240-PST
From: RAPHAEL at SRI-AI
Subject: IJCAI
To: PHW at MIT-AI
cc: JMC at SU-AI, RAPHAEL

Hi Pat,
THREE IJCAI-RELATED ITEMS FOR YOUR
INFORMATION:

1. MINKER's PANEL.. I AGREE WITH JOHN'S POSITION
AS EXPRESSED IN HIS RECENT MESSAGE TO YOU. A PANEL TO CLARIFY
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ACCEPTED MEANINGS OF 'CYBERNETICS'
AND 'AI' IN THE US AND USSR MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE, IF YOU HAVE
A CONVENIENT SLOT FOR IT IN THE PROGRAM-- PERHAPS AS
PART OF A BROADER DISCUSSION OR COMPARISON OF
VIEWPOINTS AND APPROACHES TO COMPUTER SCIENCE RESEARCH,
EAST AND WEST. OF COURSE, THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE KEPT
ON A PROFESSIONAL, NON-POLITICAL PLANE. I THINK MINKER WOULD
AGREE, AND IS PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN BEARDING THE AUTHORITIES
BY FORMALLY INVITING LERNER. I'M RATHER CURIOUS MYSELF ABOUT
WHAT THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE WOULD BE; BUT THE VALUE OF
SUCH AN EXPERIMENT MIGHT NOT JUSTIFY THE RISK OF
EMBARRASSING OUR HOSTS AND THEREBY CAUSING
UNNECESSARY PROBLEMS FOR THE ENTIRE CONFERENCE. YOU AND ERIK
MUST DECIDE.

2. TRANSPORTATION.. THE 'UNITED EUROPEAN
AMRICAN CLUB' IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A RATHER FULL
SCHEDULE OF CHARTER FLIGHTS TO BRUSSELS OR ZURICH, TWO
TO FOUR WEEK DURATION, FOR LESS THAN $350(FROM NY) AND
$450(WEST COAST) ROUND TRIP FARE. ANYONE MAY JOIN,
BUT MUST JOIN AT LEAST SIX MONTHS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
THE 'COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL EDUCATIONAL EXCHANGE'
ALSO RUNS CHEAP CHARTERS, AND IS OPEN TO STUDENTS AND FACULTY
MEMBERS EVERYWHERE WITHOUT PRIOR MEMBERSHIP. DO YOU HAVE
OTHER LEADS FOR TRAVEL ARRANGEMENTS? HAVE YOU UNCOVERED
POSSIBLE SOURCES OF SUPPORT-- NSF, ETC.-- FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES?

3. PAPERS COMING.. WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS-- POSSIBLY
SHORTLY AFTER THE OFFICIAL DEADLINE-- YOU WILL BE RECEIVING THE
FOLLOWING SRI-AI PAPERS FOR CONSIDERATION:
'SEMANTIC NET SPACES'-- HENDRIX
'COMPUTER-BASED CONSULANT PROJECT'-- HART
'NON-LINEAR PLANS'-- SACERDOTI
'DEDUCTIVE RETRIEVAL'-- FIKES
I HOPE THE SHORT DELAY IS NOT CRITICAL.

BEST REGARDS, BERT

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∂08-JAN-75 0007 THE,AJT
I have taken the liberty of
(1) assuming that there is a reasonable chance of my finishing up my thesis
by September of this year;
(2) applying for a Post-doctoral fellowship in the Psychology Dept. of
Oxford University;
(3) giving your name as a reference for (2).
I hope that (3) (at least) is OK with you. I assume that the Oxford people
will be in touch with you. A brief outline of the resaerch I would carry
out there is on IBM.JMC[DOC,AJT] - it might help you to comment if and when the
time comes.Thanks. Arthur.
p.s
Hintikka is back in town, and I should like to set up a meeting with
you, him and the rest of my committew within the next few weeks. When would
be convenient times for you?

∂7-JAN-75 1129 network site AI
Date: 7 JAN 1975 1141-EST
From: PHW at MIT-AI
To: NILSON at SRI-AI

MY ADDRESS IS PHW AT MIT-AI. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE NOMINATIONS
TOGETHER THIS WEEKEND IF POSSIBLE.

PATRICK

EARLY BIRD 01/07/75 11:52:51 can't send msg of 11:41 AM
to NILSON at SRI-AI because foreign host replied:
450 No such mailbox at this site.

(Losing message follows)
Date: 7 JAN 1975 1141-EST
From: PHW at MIT-AI
To: NILSON at SRI-AI

MY ADDRESS IS P

∂7-JAN-75 1128 network site AI
Date: 7 JAN 1975 1353-EST
From: PHW at MIT-AI
To: JMC at SU-AI

INCIDENTALLY, IS LERNER UNQUESTIONABLY QUALIFIED AS THE
OBVIOUS CHOICE FOR A SOVIET MEMBER OF THE PANEL?

∂07-JAN-75 0942 100,100: SGK @ SAIL
CALL PEYER KEHRLEIN INSURANCE REGARDS YOUR AUTO INSURANCE AT 453-6329

∂6-JAN-75 1952 network site ISIA
Date: 6 JAN 1975 1952-PST
From: LICKLIDER at USC-ISI
Subject: Proposal Received
To: LES at SU-AI, McCarthy at SU-AI, Feigenbaum at SU-AI
cc: Blue, Russell, Licklider

This evening I pulled in a copy of your draft proposal,
ARPA[R,LES]. It looks complete. Since tomorrow is Midyear
Review Day, I won't get at it tonight, but I am very happy to have it
and shall study it just as soon as possible. Please send any
additional parts that become available in draft as they become avail-
able.

Regards

Lick
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∂6-JAN-75 1909 network site RAND
M E M O R A N D U M

To: F. Corbato, J. Markowitz, J. McCarthy, M. Pirtle,
T. Stockham, B. Woods

From: Peter Weiner (WEINER @ RAND-RCC)

Subject: Invitation to join new ARPA/IPTO Working Group

---------

I am writing to ask if you would participate as a member of a
Working Group whose purpose is to propose to ARPA/IPTO Policies
for Computing Resource Procurement. I have been asked by Craig
Fields and Lick to serve as chairman of this group; they also
compiled the list of members comprising each of you -- I concur
with their selections and hope that you will find it possible
to accept this invitation.

Our charter is a broad one, with both short and long term aspects.
For the short term, for example, we can advise on the role to be
played by the KL-10 in extending present cababliities, or on
procurement standards for the proposed new FY76 programs, such
as Intelligent Terminals. The issues for the long term (5 to
10 years) encompass those of configuration (e.g. the role of
networks, large computers for special purposes, etc), and
management philosophies.
I have promised a draft report to ARPA on June 1. The first
order of business is to agree on the set of issues on which we feel
we can contribute useful guidance. Much of our business can
be conducted by ARPAnet message, but a meeting to finalize on
issues and to begin to formulate positions might be useful
around th middle of February. If a second meeting is needed after
a preliminary report is drafted, we could hold it at the time
of the NCC. (I hope this will not be necessary.)

As part of our work we will need to understand the future computing
need of the research community, as well as future computing
capabilities and costs. To assess the latter, we will need
to acquire confidential information from various manufacturers.
Please let me know if you would have any difficulty in signing
non-disclosure agreements.

Please let me know if you can accept this invitation. Your ideas
of the set of issues to be studied are also welcome at this time.

Regards,

Peter
∂02-JAN-75 2053 ESS,JMC
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∂6-JAN-75 1017 network site ISIA
Date: 6 JAN 1975 1017-PST
From: LICKLIDER at USC-ISI
Subject: Additional PDP-10 Support
To: LES at SU-AI
cc: Fields, Licklider

Fields gave me a copy of your message to him on 20 December
1974, and I think he wanted me to reply to you. The reply has to be
that we shall do our best to help but are facing a situation of
serious overload during prime time. Outside of prime time, there
appears to be plenty of accessible PDP-10 resource on the ARPANET> I
shall ask Gene Stubbs, as soon as he returns from leave, to make a map
showing which ussers use which PDP-10's and what the average loads
are as a function of time-of-day. Then, if at all possible, we shall
make some suggestions about where Cordell and Terry can get some
computer time.

For the middle term, three months to two years hence, we are
purchasing additional PDP-10's (KA-10's). For the longer term, we
are going to have a serious study of how computer support should be pro-
vided.

It would be helpful to have your estimate of needed computer
support extended to indicatte how much processing and memory and file
storage are needed. Console time is not enough for planning purposes.

Finally, let me remind you that computer support is a costly
resource that has to be budgeted as part of the over-all proposing and
contracting process. ARPA cannot let research contracts and give a
promise, express or implied, to provide all the computer resource
required. So please be sure to include all needed computer support in
your next proposal to ARPA. Perhaps I should take this opportunity
to remind you that, in the proposal, you should provide a cost
analysis that relates costs to objectives. That is, each subproject
should have one or more clearly defined objectives, and the projected
cost should be associated with each such objective. For that part of
the made up of computer support, it may be convenient to express it as
a fraction of the cost of operating the laboratory computer facility
(if it is the laboratory computer that is used), in which
case the laboratory computer facility can be viewed as a cost
center. If the computer resource required is external, then there
are three classes; paid for at the suppliers rates, arranged
through ARPA, and arranged for on an informal barter basis with
another laboratory. In your proposal, please specify the first,
estimate the second on the basis of guidance soon to be provided, and
specify the third.

At the beginning of this message, I did not expect to get
into it that deeply. I shall, however, try to provide you some guidance
on how to estimate the equivalent cost of TENEX service at an ARPA-
supported service host.

Regards,

Lick
JCRL/hcb
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∂6-JAN-75 0003 network site AI
Date: 6 JAN 1975 0302-EST
From: TK at MIT-AI
To: JMC at SU-AI

We have a fellow here (Bill Freeman) who is investigating the use of the
MOSTEK 4K ram as a memory device for tv channels.
It should cost about $800 for the memory chips. the advantage of the MOSTEK
chips is that they are 16 pin, so the initial version can be wirewrapped for
debugging, and then PCified. The whole thing should fit on a hex height dec
board, fitting into the PDP-11 small peripheral slot. I have attempted to get
Gordon Bell interested in pursuing this thing from DEC's end, and he is
mildly interested. If you push him a little, then maybe DEC can be persuaded to
make such a board a standard product. They would win, and we would win. It would
even take DEC out of the 18th century of display devices...

∂05-JAN-75 2320 S,WD
I ACCIDENTALLY TYPED <META>D RATHER THAN <META>I TO THE DIALER,
AND IT DELETED HOTER.BAY WITHOUT A BY YOUR LEAVE. THE WISARDS COULDNIT
FIND IT. THE CURRENT HOTER.BAY WAS MADE BY DELETING THE COMMANDS FROM
HOTER.POX.
∂5-JAN-75 2217 network site AI
Date: 6 JAN 1975 0117-EST
From: TK at MIT-AI
To: LES at SU-AI

Hi,

Yes, indeed we are running the drawing and PC programs on the TV displays. They are
completely usable, evidenced by the fact that I am using them daily to design the
lisp machine... The limiting factor appears at the moment to be PDP-10 time, since
the current vector generation and flashing is done via the 10-11 memory interface,
not by the PDP-11. If the vector and flashing were done by the 11, I think you could
really do quite well. The resolution does not appear to be a problem, since you can
always blow things up to get a closer look. To give you an idea of the usability
of the system, it is not uncommon to look during the day and see 2-3 people using
the drawing program. If you are contemplating doing this on the Stanford system, it
will probably be quite difficult, since the vector writing rate in the vertical direction
is so low for the Data-Risks. Is this what you wanted to know?

∂05-JAN-75 1709 DOC,TOB
that is prop.74f[arp,tob]

∂05-JAN-75 1703 DOC,TOB
See arpa.74f[arp,tob] and arpa.74r[arp,tob]

∂05-JAN-75 0755 1,RWG AT TTY47 0755
i temporarily moved your smithsonian math tables to
your office, next to gradshteyn and ryzhik.

∂04-JAN-75 1804 DOC,TOB
It would help me if you would take a copy of
my section of the proposal and make comments.
I understood your verbal comments and will
make a new version by Sunday noon, and would
like to include any improvements feasible.
Tom

∂04-JAN-75 1640 1,PDQ
Look at LICK.DOC(1,PDQ] for my proposed research plans.

∂03-JAN-75 1556 S,LES
Lick and Al Blue called this afternoon to say that they must have the
proposal very soon. They also laid on an additional requirement:
that costs should be allocated to each project, including shares of
local overhead items such as computer time.

I said that I thought we could have a draft together, not including
the cost allocations, by Sunday night, though it will clearly take
some hustling. Lick asked that we ship him a copy over the net.

∂3-JAN-75 1028 network site AI

From: MINSKY@MIT-AI 01/03/75 13:27:43
i certainly would like to join the home terminal club, if using the network is allowed.

∂3-JAN-75 1012 network site ISIA
Date: 3 JAN 1975 1012-PST
From: LICKLIDER at USC-ISI
Subject: Stanford Proposal
To: McCarthy at SU-AI, JMC at SU-AI
cc: Licklider

John, we have not received the proposal yet. It
is vital that we have the initial version of it right away.
It may require iteration. If we do not have it very soon,
there is a strong likelihood that we will lose some of the
money allocated to Stanford AI.

We have not received the papers that I collected
at the time of my visit. I should never have agreed to
your economizing by sending them n-th-class mail.

Please forgive the tone of panic. It is just that
the situation demands quick action on the proposal.

Regards

Lick
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∂3-JAN-75 1012 network site ISIA
Date: 3 JAN 1975 1012-PST
From: LICKLIDER at USC-ISI
Subject: Stanford Proposal
To: McCarthy at SU-AI, JMC at SU-AI
cc: Licklider

We have not received the papers that I collected
at the time of my visit. I should never have agreed to
your economizing by sending them n-th-class mail.

Please forgive the tone of panic. It is just that
the situation demands quick action on the proposal.

Regards

Lick
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∂03-JAN-75 0137 S,LES
I note that Richard Feynman hasn't logged in since May 25 and
Dan Kimball hasn't run since June 28. Should we keep them on
the books?

∂02-JAN-75 1238 1,TW @ MAXC
i have lots of stray opinions of actors -- basically i think
there are a lot of good ideas, many of which are pushed too
far. Lots of "actorish" stuff is finding its way into frames (whatever
or whosever those may be). I sent carl a note asking him to talk at
the representation seminar when he's out here in January. The
guy who worked with him on the PLASMA poaper (Brian SMith) is a friend
of mine, and is the reason why it's the most coherent writeup.
There's a more recent PLASMA paper (a manual) whi h I have a copy of
if you want to see it.

∂02-JAN-75 1152 1,MG

I like and largely agree with the general discussion in the proposal. I
myself would probably have written something like the following:(instead
of 7. on page 5)

"The results of Gordon's thesis will be extended to most
of LISP 1.5 - by July 1975. The modes of reasoning used
to obtain these results will be analysed and a formalism
for representing them developed - by September 1975. The
possibility of embedding this formalism in FOL will be
considered."

I'd slightly prefer my thesis to be described as:

"on reasoning about a semantics and implementation of pure
LISP within the Scott-Strachey framework"

This is because the writing down of a semantics of pure LISP (or even LISP 1.5)
is essentially trivial - it is the analysis of the resulting model, in
particular the conversion of intuitively plausible arguments into rigorous
proofs, which I found hard.

Mike.

∂02-JAN-75 1003 S,WD
I have borrowed a two more of your books, and created a file:
onload[wd,jmc] containing the names of books I have. I will be very
careful not to take anything I think you might need, and presume you
will find this more convenient that being asked about each item.

∂02-JAN-75 0750 S,WD
See hoter.ans[r,wd]

∂17-JAN-75 1827 100,100 AT TTY15 1827: 1/elf @ SAIL
susie coming in sunday jan 19 united flight 165 from denver to sf 9:18 pm

∂17-JAN-75 1702 network site RAND
To: J. McCarthy

From: Peter Weiner (WEINER @ RAND-RCC)

Subject: Col. Dave Russell and the ARPANET

Copies: F. Corbato, J. Markowitz, M. Pirtle,
T. Stockham, B. Woods
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John,

Col. Dave Russell is Deputy Director of ARPA/IPTO. While
he has responsibility for conducting the ARPANET transfer,
I believe that Lick and others in the ARPA office are very
much involved in the policy issues. In any case, I don't
believe it is our charter to advise on this issue at this
time. Of course, if the information we get indicates that
some action is being taken or contemplated that is at odds
with desireable procurement options we can speak up.

Regards,

Peter
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∂17-JAN-75 1630 1,DBX
Tried to find you after the seminar, around 15.40 today. Could you
possibly name an other time ? If I am not here at the Lab, you can
reach me at home, phone 493-1932.
There is a file TOPICS[1,DBX] containing my suggestions what to talk
about, the draft contents of the research report I am going to write,
as well as some more comments in connection with your MTC lectures.
I am going to put a copy, together with some other relevant files
to your desk.